[Public-List] Toe Rail Update
Gordon Laco
mainstay at csolve.net
Fri Feb 5 10:06:28 PST 2021
Hello Greg… I’ll answer below in red (hope the colour comes through)
Gordon Laco
www.gordonlaco.com
> On Feb 5, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Greg Roberts via Public-List <public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday Everybody!
> Marcelo,Thanks for the reminder. I'll watch it again.
> Gordon,
> A. Are you sure you don't want to use wood?Wood certainly looks
> better, particularly on our classic boats. Ayla is an early boat, SN
> 306443, without the molded rail.Issues:
> 1. I'm better with metal. 2.
> I've never done a scarf joint. 3. I've never tried to steam bend
> wood.
A scarf joint is only an angled cut. you lay one piece of wood over the other, cut the angle through both at once, then turn one of the pieces around… presto, a perfect scarf joint.
> 4. I have no idea of how to correct for the deck camber as it
> varies from the bow to the stern
No need for that.
> .5. I don't know where I can get teak,
> that thick, locally. I'm nervous about buying it online, sight
> unseen.
Use mahogany or black locust (despite its name, it’s very blonde when varnished) Both are readily available, both very durable and easy to maintain.
> 6. I like the idea of having the genoa track down tight to the
> deck rather than mounted to the top of a narrow rail with long
> bolts.
You can interrupt the wooden rail where the track needs to be, but putting the track bolts through the wood is not structurally a compromise.
> 7. I like the idea of all those places to tie to.
That is a plus, but what would you tie things to there? The lifelines are more convenient for fenders...
> 8. I'm not the
> best about staying on top of the varnish. Of course that might change
> after putting in all the work to build new rails…
If you can get six coats on the first year… that’s one a day for a week, then do one coat every spring, the finish should last 10-15 years.
>
> B. I cannot imagine why anyone would put a bow chock three fee aft
> from the bow? normally the are inches aft on either side of the
> forestay? they?re useless if they are further aft.
> I have no idea why the chock is there but I figured I'd ask…
Haha
>
> C. Bedding the toe rail (whatever the material it is) is best done
> with something you can remove later.
> What would you recommend for bedding the toe rail?
In my wooden boat days I liked SikaFlex… for the Alberg I like LifeCaulk, although that stuff was useless on the wooden boat.
>
> D. Sealing the deck to hull joint is best done with something which
> cannot ever be removed? thickened epoxy with a reinforcing lamination
> of fibreglass cloth is a good way to do it.I like the idea of using
> epoxy. The deck, from looking at George's images of redoing the
> taffrail, seems to be about 3mm thick at the joint. How much glass do
> you use? Do you grind off that much to start or just grind to expose
> the glass and accept the build up? How far back (how wide) do you
> grind?
Clean off all that remains of old bedding compound… then sand, but no need to sand aggressively as grinding would suggest. You don’t want to weaken the deck edge.
>
> E. Reconfiguring the stern to let water run straight aft is not a
> practical way to let water off the deck? when the yacht is at rest the
> lowest point her her shear is about 1/3 of her length forward from the
> stern? that is were there must be a scupper(s).No question you are
> right about the scuppers. The path off the stern is to allow me to
> direct dirt and soap suds off the deck using the hose. My current
> scuppers drain slowly. It's a minor nit but if I'm going to change
> things... My slip is really close to Kohler Craft so we get all junk
> from the planes flying out of San Diego International. We used to get
> a lot of junk from the yards but they have gotten a lot better about
> containment in the last 5 years.
> As always, Thanks for all the great advice!
I know Kohler well… years ago when we were making the film Master and Commander, when I could get a weekend off I’d go up to San Diego and look at boats. I used to ask and receive their permission to walk on their docks… there are a lot of very nice boats there. San Diego is a very nice city. These days we supply rigging to San Diego Maritime, and also to the big USN office building being built. There is a lot of rope decoration inside it...
> Regards,
> Greg
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> 1. Toe Rail Update (Greg Roberts)
> 2. Re: Toe Rail Update (Gordon Laco)
> 3. Re: Toe Rail Update (Marcelo D. Gentinetta)
> 4. Re: Public-List Digest, Vol 4114, Issue 3 (charles pleisse)
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> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:27:15 -0800
> From: "Greg Roberts"
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> Hi Folks,
> First, let me say thanks to everyone that has offered advice, both
> here and via private emails!
> I'm going to give it a try here at the dock and do it in sections.
> Worst case, the yard behind me has a cradle on a track for hauling
> boats that are too heavy for the crane.
> I've decided to go with slotted toe rail (2807-24) and T track (2817)
> from Crest Aluminum. At the stern I'm going to reconfigure the wood so
> there is a path for water to drain straight back. I'll come up with a
> scupper at the aft end of the T track. There needs to be room to
> add/remove cars anyway. I'm still working on the bow. A router with a
> carbide bit 'machines' aluminum rather well. I expect that the final
> design will include cutting the extrusion so that a foot or so of the
> side runs up alongside the stem fitting.
> So three questions at this point:
> 1. What should I bed the extrusion with? I'm leaning towards butyl.2.
> What should I seal the hull/deck joint with? I don't want to use 5200
> as it's a PITA to remove and redo. I want something that works in a
> caulking gun. I'm leaning towards Life Seal.3. How far back from the
> bow should the fair leads be placed? I'm interested in what works best
> on a mooring ball and with a bridle. Putting them close to the bow
> simplifies the design but one I have is about 3ft back on the
> starboard side. I'm guessing there might be a reason for it being back
> that far. I have a bitt centered above the forward bulkhead.
> Regards,
> Greg
> #43 Ayla
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 07:16:12 -0500
> From: Gordon Laco
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Cc: Greg Roberts
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Toe Rail Update
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> Good morning Greg,
>
> Are you sure you don?t want to use wood?
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone would put a bow chock three fee aft from
> the bow? normally the are inches aft on either side of the forestay?
> they?re useless if they are further aft.
>
> Bedding the toe rail (whatever the material it is) is best done with
> something you can remove later.
>
> Sealing the deck to hull joint is best done with something which
> cannot ever be removed? thickened epoxy with a reinforcing lamination
> of fibreglass cloth is a good way to do it.
>
> Reconfiguring the stern to let water run straight aft is not a
> practical way to let water off the deck? when the yacht is at rest the
> lowest point her her shear is about 1/3 of her length forward from the
> stern? that is were there must be a scupper(s).
> Gordon Laco
> #426 Surprise
> www.gordonlaco.com
>> On Feb 4, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Greg Roberts via Public-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> First, let me say thanks to everyone that has offered advice, both
>> here and via private emails!
>> I'm going to give it a try here at the dock and do it in sections.
>> Worst case, the yard behind me has a cradle on a track for hauling
>> boats that are too heavy for the crane.
>> I've decided to go with slotted toe rail (2807-24) and T track
> (2817)
>> from Crest Aluminum. At the stern I'm going to reconfigure the wood
> so
>> there is a path for water to drain straight back. I'll come up with
> a
>> scupper at the aft end of the T track. There needs to be room to
>> add/remove cars anyway. I'm still working on the bow. A router with
> a
>> carbide bit 'machines' aluminum rather well. I expect that the final
>> design will include cutting the extrusion so that a foot or so of
> the
>> side runs up alongside the stem fitting.
>> So three questions at this point:
>> 1. What should I bed the extrusion with? I'm leaning towards
> butyl.2.
>> What should I seal the hull/deck joint with? I don't want to use
> 5200
>> as it's a PITA to remove and redo. I want something that works in a
>> caulking gun. I'm leaning towards Life Seal.3. How far back from the
>> bow should the fair leads be placed? I'm interested in what works
> best
>> on a mooring ball and with a bridle. Putting them close to the bow
>> simplifies the design but one I have is about 3ft back on the
>> starboard side. I'm guessing there might be a reason for it being
> back
>> that far. I have a bitt centered above the forward bulkhead.
>> Regards,
>> Greg
>> #43 Ayla
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> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 08:16:07 -0600
> From: "Marcelo D. Gentinetta"
> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Toe Rail Update
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> Hi Greg,
> Have you watched James Baldwin?s video on installing aluminum toerails
> on an Alberg 30 on his website CYS Atom? If not, I would highly
> recommend it.
> Best wishes,
> Marcelo Gentinetta
> #441 Alegr?a
>
>> On Feb 4, 2021, at 6:16 AM, Gordon Laco via Public-List wrote:
>>
>> Good morning Greg,
>>
>> Are you sure you don?t want to use wood?
>>
>> I cannot imagine why anyone would put a bow chock three fee aft from
> the bow? normally the are inches aft on either side of the forestay?
> they?re useless if they are further aft.
>>
>> Bedding the toe rail (whatever the material it is) is best done with
> something you can remove later.
>>
>> Sealing the deck to hull joint is best done with something which
> cannot ever be removed? thickened epoxy with a reinforcing lamination
> of fibreglass cloth is a good way to do it.
>>
>> Reconfiguring the stern to let water run straight aft is not a
> practical way to let water off the deck? when the yacht is at rest the
> lowest point her her shear is about 1/3 of her length forward from the
> stern? that is were there must be a scupper(s).
>>
>>
>> Gordon Laco
>> #426 Surprise
>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2021, at 1:27 AM, Greg Roberts via Public-List wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> First, let me say thanks to everyone that has offered advice, both
>>> here and via private emails!
>>> I'm going to give it a try here at the dock and do it in sections.
>>> Worst case, the yard behind me has a cradle on a track for hauling
>>> boats that are too heavy for the crane.
>>> I've decided to go with slotted toe rail (2807-24) and T track
> (2817)
>>> from Crest Aluminum. At the stern I'm going to reconfigure the wood
> so
>>> there is a path for water to drain straight back. I'll come up with
> a
>>> scupper at the aft end of the T track. There needs to be room to
>>> add/remove cars anyway. I'm still working on the bow. A router with
> a
>>> carbide bit 'machines' aluminum rather well. I expect that the
> final
>>> design will include cutting the extrusion so that a foot or so of
> the
>>> side runs up alongside the stem fitting.
>>> So three questions at this point:
>>> 1. What should I bed the extrusion with? I'm leaning towards
> butyl.2.
>>> What should I seal the hull/deck joint with? I don't want to use
> 5200
>>> as it's a PITA to remove and redo. I want something that works in a
>>> caulking gun. I'm leaning towards Life Seal.3. How far back from
> the
>>> bow should the fair leads be placed? I'm interested in what works
> best
>>> on a mooring ball and with a bridle. Putting them close to the bow
>>> simplifies the design but one I have is about 3ft back on the
>>> starboard side. I'm guessing there might be a reason for it being
> back
>>> that far. I have a bitt centered above the forward bulkhead.
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
>>> #43 Ayla
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> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:27:17 -0500
> From: charles pleisse
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> Maybe we should take a survey of interested parties to determine what
> size
> production run we could afford. I would be interested in a couple of
> them
> for Sookie.
>
> Charles Pleisse
> College Park Bicycles
> ( 301)864-2211
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:06 PM
> wrote:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: Liability Insurance (Jay Davenport)
>> 2. Re: Reproduction Builder's plates (Kris Coward)
>> 3. Re: Reproduction Builder's plates (Roy Jarnagin)
>> 4. Re: Reproduction Builder's plates (John Irving)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Jay Davenport
>> To: "public-list at lists.alberg30.org"
>> Cc: George Dinwiddie
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Liability Insurance
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>> Allstate has been insuring my 1973 boat for the last 28 years, but I
> may
>> be grandfathered. I don't know if they are currently taking on older
> boats.
>> In any case, their premiums and service on claims have been good,
> and they
>> include $500. in towing insurance.
>> Jay?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 03:50:49 PM EST, George
> Dinwiddie via
>> Public-List wrote:
>>
>> Another company, which I've not seen mentioned here, is Gowrie
> Group.
>> They acquired IMIS which was an independent marine insurance broker
>> started by Al Golden, whom I met through the CompuServe sailing
> forum.
>>
>> It's hard to say how good they are, since I've never made a claim.
> You
>> can find them at https://www.gowrie.com/Marine-Insurance/IMIS.aspx
>>
>> ? - George
>>
>> On 2/3/21 8:38 AM, P Seidel via Public-List wrote:
>>> ? As a data point, USAA/Progressive and BoatUS/Geico will not
> insure a
>> boat built before 1965.? Erie and State Farm will.? I just ran into
> this
>> with trying to insure the #8 boat.
>>> ? ? ? On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 08:28:55 AM EST, Mike Lehman
> via
>> Public-List wrote:
>>> ?
>>> ? We are very pleased with Erie
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 10:16 PM Jonathan Bresler via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Al,
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations on finding an Alberg 30!
>>>> You may wish to check with Progressive or
>>>> USAA.
>>>>
>>>> Which Alberg 30 you are considering?
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 6:56 PM Alexander Mitchell via Public-List
> <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking at purchasing an A30 here in the midwest, and am
> 98% of
>> the
>>>>> way ready to say yes, pending a few last things.? The marina
> says I
>> need
>>>>> liability insurance, but Geico/ Boat US won't insure anything
> that old
>>>>> (1965).
>>>>>
>>>>> Any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Al
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Al Mitchell
>>>>> 815-579-4968
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>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 19:25:09 -0500
>> From: Kris Coward
>> To: Mike Lehman via Public-List
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
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>>
>> Do you still have the image of the plate that was sent for the
> previous
>> run of them? Possibly also dimensions?
>>
>> In a conversation off-list with a few people who'd expressed
> interest, I
>> brought up having found some good indications that hitting anodized
>> aluminum with a CO2 laser (of the sort you can find at most
>> hackerspaces/makerspaces, and that a decent assortment of hobbyists
> also
>> have at home) burns off the dye in the anodization, leaving bright
> (but
>> I imagine still anodized) metal.
>>
>> Basically this means that if you've got a suitably sized and
> coloured
>> piece of anodized sheet/plate, and an image file, there's a decent
>> change that you can find a hackerspace, makerspace, or hobbyist with
> a
>> laser and a willingness to help you out to make your own plate with
> no
>> minimum order size.
>>
>> I don't know where to find such a laser around the Chesapeake, but
> for
>> Albergers close to Toronto, I know that Hacklab and Site 3 each have
>> such a laser, can't quite remember if the Toronto Public Library has
> one
>> (or if they've just got 3d printers), strongly suspect that the
> Toronto
>> Tool Library has one, and I've got some friends around High Park who
>> have one at home (and know of 2 more home lasers belonging to
> friends
>> who live up in Deep River). I imagine that they're not that much
> scarcer
>> around Maryland.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kris
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 03:18:50PM -0500, Mike Lehman via
> Public-List
>> wrote:
>>> Jim and I did this project as a team, I'll check the inventory but
> I am
>>> pretty sure it is depleted. I remember ordering them and may have
> a
>> record
>>> from where in Baltimore. What I distinctly remember was the
> minimum order
>>> was 1,000 plates.
>>>
>>> Mike Lehman
>>> ~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 3:13 PM Michael via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Menucci was the ramrod for that offering; he is gone now. I
> don't
>>>> know where his source was.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Grosh
>>>> #220
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>
>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco"
>>>> Sent: 2/1/2021 2:44:22 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>>>>
>>>>> Hello friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if this has been covered already? but are there
> still
>>>> reproduction builder?s plates for our boats available from the
>> Association?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?d be interested in one myself? ours has long since had the
> blue
>>>> printing worn off?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>> 426 Surprise
>>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Kris Coward
> http://unripe.melon.org/
>> GPG Fingerprint: 2BF3 957D 310A FEEC 4733 830E 21A4 05C7 1FEB 12B3
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 20:06:19 -0600
>> From: "Roy Jarnagin"
>> To: "'Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all'"
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> You might check out the site frontpanelexpress.com. I have used them
> to
>> make panels for electronic equipment and have been pleased with the
> results.
>>
>> Roy Jarnagin
>>
>> Southern Serenity #72
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kris Coward via Public-List
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 6:25 PM
>> To: Mike Lehman via Public-List
>> Cc: Kris Coward
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>>
>>
>> Do you still have the image of the plate that was sent for the
> previous
>> run of them? Possibly also dimensions?
>>
>> In a conversation off-list with a few people who'd expressed
> interest, I
>> brought up having found some good indications that hitting anodized
>> aluminum with a CO2 laser (of the sort you can find at most
>> hackerspaces/makerspaces, and that a decent assortment of hobbyists
> also
>> have at home) burns off the dye in the anodization, leaving bright
> (but I
>> imagine still anodized) metal.
>>
>> Basically this means that if you've got a suitably sized and
> coloured
>> piece of anodized sheet/plate, and an image file, there's a decent
> change
>> that you can find a hackerspace, makerspace, or hobbyist with a
> laser and a
>> willingness to help you out to make your own plate with no minimum
> order
>> size.
>>
>> I don't know where to find such a laser around the Chesapeake, but
> for
>> Albergers close to Toronto, I know that Hacklab and Site 3 each have
> such a
>> laser, can't quite remember if the Toronto Public Library has one
> (or if
>> they've just got 3d printers), strongly suspect that the Toronto
> Tool
>> Library has one, and I've got some friends around High Park who have
> one at
>> home (and know of 2 more home lasers belonging to friends who live
> up in
>> Deep River). I imagine that they're not that much scarcer around
> Maryland.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kris
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 03:18:50PM -0500, Mike Lehman via
> Public-List
>> wrote:
>>> Jim and I did this project as a team, I'll check the inventory but
> I
>>> am pretty sure it is depleted. I remember ordering them and may
> have a
>>> record from where in Baltimore. What I distinctly remember was the
>>> minimum order was 1,000 plates.
>>>
>>> Mike Lehman
>>> ~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 3:13 PM Michael via Public-List <
>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim Menucci was the ramrod for that offering; he is gone now. I
>>>> don't know where his source was.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Grosh
>>>> #220
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>
>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco"
>>>> Sent: 2/1/2021 2:44:22 PM
>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>>>>
>>>>> Hello friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgive me if this has been covered already? but are there
> still
>>>> reproduction builder?s plates for our boats available from the
>> Association?
>>>>>
>>>>> I?d be interested in one myself? ours has long since had the
> blue
>>>> printing worn off?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>> 426 Surprise
>>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:49:59 -0500
>> From: John Irving
>> To: Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>> Message-ID:
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> I?d be interested in a builder?s plate for Scotch Bonnet. How much
> are
>> they?
>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2021, at 9:11 PM, Roy Jarnagin via Public-List <
>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?You might check out the site frontpanelexpress.com. I have used
> them
>> to make panels for electronic equipment and have been pleased with
> the
>> results.
>>>
>>> Roy Jarnagin
>>>
>>> Southern Serenity #72
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Public-List [mailto:public-list-bounces at lists.alberg30.org]
> On
>> Behalf Of Kris Coward via Public-List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 6:25 PM
>>> To: Mike Lehman via Public-List
>>> Cc: Kris Coward
>>> Subject: Re: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you still have the image of the plate that was sent for the
> previous
>> run of them? Possibly also dimensions?
>>>
>>> In a conversation off-list with a few people who'd expressed
> interest, I
>> brought up having found some good indications that hitting anodized
>> aluminum with a CO2 laser (of the sort you can find at most
>> hackerspaces/makerspaces, and that a decent assortment of hobbyists
> also
>> have at home) burns off the dye in the anodization, leaving bright
> (but I
>> imagine still anodized) metal.
>>>
>>> Basically this means that if you've got a suitably sized and
> coloured
>> piece of anodized sheet/plate, and an image file, there's a decent
> change
>> that you can find a hackerspace, makerspace, or hobbyist with a
> laser and a
>> willingness to help you out to make your own plate with no minimum
> order
>> size.
>>>
>>> I don't know where to find such a laser around the Chesapeake, but
> for
>> Albergers close to Toronto, I know that Hacklab and Site 3 each have
> such a
>> laser, can't quite remember if the Toronto Public Library has one
> (or if
>> they've just got 3d printers), strongly suspect that the Toronto
> Tool
>> Library has one, and I've got some friends around High Park who have
> one at
>> home (and know of 2 more home lasers belonging to friends who live
> up in
>> Deep River). I imagine that they're not that much scarcer around
> Maryland.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kris
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 03:18:50PM -0500, Mike Lehman via
> Public-List
>> wrote:
>>>> Jim and I did this project as a team, I'll check the inventory
> but I
>>>> am pretty sure it is depleted. I remember ordering them and may
> have a
>>>> record from where in Baltimore. What I distinctly remember was
> the
>>>> minimum order was 1,000 plates.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Lehman
>>>> ~~~_/)_/)~~_/)~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 3:13 PM Michael via Public-List <
>>>> public-list at lists.alberg30.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jim Menucci was the ramrod for that offering; he is gone now. I
>>>>> don't know where his source was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Grosh
>>>>> #220
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From: "Gordon Laco via Public-List"
>>>>> To: "Alberg 30 Public List -- open to all"
>>>>>
>>>>> Cc: "Gordon Laco"
>>>>> Sent: 2/1/2021 2:44:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Public-List] Reproduction Builder's plates
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgive me if this has been covered already? but are there
> still
>>>>> reproduction builder?s plates for our boats available from the
>> Association?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I?d be interested in one myself? ours has long since had the
> blue
>>>>> printing worn off?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gordon Laco
>>>>>> 426 Surprise
>>>>>> www.gordonlaco.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Kris Coward http://unripe.melon.org/
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> 12B3
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